Like anything, do your homework and be smart. I decided for myself that I can load smokeless loads with equivalent pressure and impulse to black powder, and as such the the blanket statement of 'never use black powder in damascus', while potentially safer than the alternative is not correct. Blue Dot both at 1240fps - 1" from breech - black = 5900psi Blue Dot = 6" from breech - black = 4100psi Blue Dot = 12" from breech - black = 2100psi Blue Dot = 2300psiĪnd the knowledge that various manufacturers produced damascus barreled shotguns specifically proofed with nitro powders or reproofed a number of damascus shotguns with nitro powders: Sherman Bell pressure tested a 1 1/4 ounce load of 3 3/4 drams GOEX FFFg vs. "Wall Hanger Rendezvous & The Slow Powder Myth" pages 39-40 by Sherman Bell. The Double Gun Journal, Volume Seventeen, Issue 4, Winter 2006. Suffice to say my conclusion upon seeing those curves was that a light charge of smokeless had no more impulse than black.Įspecially on twist barrels that were nitro proofed anyway (like the Remingtons).ĭo as you see fit, but for my money I won't worry about it (for ammo I've loaded, not commercial ammo), and I would think about getting a twist barrel magnafluxed before shooting anyway. If I can find them, I'll come back with pressure curves tonight. It's a little bit of work but worth every minute of it when you're on the range and you take that first shot and EVERYONE looks at you with that WTF look as you chuckle quietly to yourself.
Put them back into the machine to finish the wads, shot and crimp. Remove the hulls to add the black powder. No need for expensive brass hulls or specialized equipment. Also, I load my BP loads in paper hulls on a MEC 600 Jr. Pressure is pressure but it's how the pressure is arrived at that matters. Is a great place to ask technical questions about these guns, especially the Nitro Special, which is used by many hunters there to preserve their really expensive classic doubles from salt water, barbed wire, and suchlike hunting dangers.Īnd IF you wind up with a sxs with a twist barrel, UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES USE SMOKELESS POWDER OF ANY KIND IN THEM. The older they are, the more likely this is. Remingtons are among the worst often have 'way too much drop. Many of the older and more expensive classic doubles just don't fit us. Most of these guns were made late enough that they will fit a modern shooter, but I would ask about the stock dimensions when considering one. I would (do) haunt the national classifieds. Unfortunately CA is not the best place to look for used C&R guns. They would probably be OK with small steel shot like #7s unless they have a very tight choke, but unfortunately many of them do-full choke was the rage when they were built. They are also sturdy as an anvil and can be fired with any modern 2 3/4" shotgun shells except steel shot. These make the most sense because they made zillions of both and they are both affordable and can actually be found and have spare parts available. I would second the choice of either a Lefever Nitro Special (made by Ithaca after they bought the Lefever company and name) and the Stevens 311, if you can find one with a walnut stock. It's a really mild load, but I'm shooting it in a nitro special. Have the barrels magnufluxed and carry on with either load.Īll that being said, one of my favorite loads is a magtech shell, large magnum pistol primer, 18 grains of red dot, 11 gauge nitro card, 2 11 gauge cushion wads, 1-1/8 ounce shot and a 10 gauge overshot card. Ultimately, IMO if you are concerned with shooting mild smokeless loads in a twist barrel then you should also be concerned with shooting BP loads. Pressure is pressure, and black powder can produce just as much pressure as smokeless and vice versa, it's just easier to make an over pressure load with smokeless. You can use smokeless but you need to load pretty light charges. So far as using blackpowder only with twist barrels, I don't think that's necessary. My BP shotgun shell reloading kit is a hand primer, a wood block with a whole in it for depriming, a scoop, a punch, and something to tap the punch with. Depriming uses a punch, a hammer, and a small wooden block. I bought a vintage priming tool to make life easier for me, but you can do it with a dowel and judicious use of a hammer. Stuff in an 11 gauge lubed cushion wad (or two), pour in a scoop of shot, top with a 10 gauge overshot card and glue it in place with Elmer's. Stuff in an 11 gauge over powder (nitro) card. Put one scoop of black (or equivalent charge by weight or volume of substitute, depending on which substitute).
Absurdly easy.īuy Magtech shells that fit your chamber. Loading blackpowder brass shotshells is easy. Definitely want to use 12ga bird or buckshot lol I'm not sure I'm quite ready to delve into BP rifles or shotguns just yet.
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